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August 31, 2009 Maltby Alliance Notes

 

Several Maltby residents meet with County representatives

Traffic

  • County rules are to place load limits where there is structural deficiencies
    • Something needs to be fixed
    • Not to be used to limit traffic (though other counties may do differently)
  • Traffic calming measures are more common
    • Speed bumps, stop signs, round-abouts, etc.
    • Used when traffic volume is 35% more than road design
      • 206th/86th/78th/201st design based on standard formula
        • 10 trips per house per day
          • 700 houses so 7,000 trips
      • Traffic study (counters) are at about 1,200 trips/day
      • Both numbers (10/700) seem unrealistic to Maltby residents
    • Traffic calming would NOT be paid for since it doesn’t meet formula
      • 60% of the houses on the route would need to agree to pay for the traffic calming measures
    • DECISION: Postpone looking into traffic calming measures
  • Police enforcement 
    • Only a short term solution and most people caught on previous patrols are residents speeding
  • Permit agreements
    • When a permit process goes through, the county can request a “haul route agreement” with the permit requestor
    • REQUEST: Make the haul route agreements a public document and enforce

Urban Growth Area

  • Need to start considering what position Maltby residents want to take in regards to the 2015 Growth Management Act Update which will start in 2010.
    • Staying unincorporated may keep taxes low but leave all control on local matters to the County
    • Incorporating would give local control but create some level of costs to bear
  • A Maltby resident will post to MaltbyNow any new permits in the works
  • REQEST: That the county planners keep more of the conversation record in the public file so that it can be reviewed by citizens
  • That we find a way to enforce the existing code regarding permitter buffers between the  Urban and Rural zones

Will meet again in a couple of months

Please add any corrections or additions in the comments

 

Posted Sep 07 2009, 03:42 PM by Earl
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Earl wrote re: August 31, 2009 Maltby Alliance Notes
on 09-10-2009 4:27 PM

Are there any next steps for some of these issues?  It appears that there is no movement on the traffic issue.  Speeding and short cuts through the neighborhood is still a problem.

A couple of thoughts come to mind.

  1. 10 trips per day seems excessive.  At the most I do 4.  I am going to check with a traffic consultant that I work with to understand the validity of their calculation method. Note that I confirmed the 10 trips per day calculation.  It is actually slightly higher than the standard (1/2 a trip per day).  Interesting though.  It appears that our neighborhood demographics don’t necessarily fall into this standard calculation.  I would imagine that a typical suburban neighborhood could have more trips per day.  It seems to me that most people go to work and come home.  Or maybe run to the store.  Also, since there is not a lot of close stores, most people do their errands at once on certain days per week.  This would limit the trips per day.  The trip counts tell me that there is not a lot of households with more than 2 drivers.  Probably worth further discussion with the traffic people.
     
  2. We should probably understand the cost of adding speed bumps.
     
  3. Should the county provide sidewalks?
     
  4. The speeding should be stopped whether they are residents or not.
     
  5. Another cheaper option than speed bumps would be stop signs.  These cost roughly $350 each to supply and install.  Placing them along 206th at the intersections plus a couple of other locations would not be too expensive.  ($4,000).

It is not safe to walk on 206th.  Due to the lack of sidewalks and speeds.

Comments from Doug (posted by Earl)

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